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Officers kicked out of Denny’s for being armed

Five police officers were kicked out of a Denny’s restaurant for carrying their guns.

It happened in downstate Belleville.

The five plain-clothes detectives were off-duty when they went in to eat when another diner saw one officer’s gun and complained.

The manager told them, “Either the guns go, or you go.” Even when they showed their identification, he refused to drop his ultimatum.

So they left, but the police department isn’t happy about it.

Belleville officers are now under orders to avoid Denny’s restaurant unless they’re answering a trouble call.

Denny’s has since apologized for the manager’s behavior and said it is company policy to let police officers carry they weapons while eating.

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93 Comments to “Officers kicked out of Denny’s for being armed”

    ghost writter said:
    January 3, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    this has happened in too many dennys resturant one thing or another as far as i'm conserned they can put dennys out of business their food suxs and their people are too shadey they have adititude problems .Iv'e never like their service or the way they run their business if they have problems with police officers then i refuse to eat there nation wide boycott of dennys they refused to serve black people years ago we dont need a resturant chain like this get rid of dennys ..

    Tired of Morons said:
    January 3, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Denny's food used to be good and cheap and you got a decent amount for the price. They are simply awful now. A customer complained. Well isn't that too bad. Their cops, they have guns you idiot.

      JLP said:
      January 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM

      "They're"

      Just sayin'.

      Just Fred said:
      January 3, 2013 at 3:34 PM

      I agree… they're police officers; many departments require their officers to be armed at all times; besides, look at the free security the restaurant receives while the officers are present!

      Catanne1 said:
      January 4, 2013 at 9:03 AM

      I wonder if the idiot would complain if a robber came in and lives were saved by the officers with the guns?

    Joyce said:
    January 3, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    BUT WAS THE MANAGER FIRED???

    Cherie said:
    January 3, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    I for one would Fired the manger for doing that He's got NO right and if the corporate doesn't take action on this No ONE should ever go in to a Denny's again.

    johnny said:
    January 3, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    Denny's always treated me good, a few times I had bad service but that happens once in a while. As far ( ghost writter) as them or anyone else not serving blacks years ago, that used to be the way it was. Don't make it right but that's the way it was a life time ago.

      Mark Wells said:
      January 4, 2013 at 3:21 AM

      It wasn't a lifetime ago, it was like 10 years ago.

    peter in Ohio said:
    January 3, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    isn't this a 'private business's' decision and not a 'gov interference' matter?

    Here's a different view: I never seen any establishment kicking out a uniformed cop.

    What if, out of fear (not Obama's doing) of mass shooting, that anyone with gun, -not- in uniform, can spook a 'general public' into pulling out their gun to challenge '5 armed people' (plain-clothes detectives)?

    The above paranoia example has nothing to do with Obama, it has everything to do with (fearing) how might a random sampling of the public (paranoid) could react seeing '5 armed people'.

    Most people don't own guns, the few who do, some have conceal carry (I don't at this moment), of those fewer people with CCW permits, there might be a handful with the John Wayne syndrom or mental illness (under the radar) who might challenge "an armed group", who would not even give a second notice to "5 uniformed officer having a meal"

      Dave from Cali said:
      January 3, 2013 at 11:06 AM

      peter .. you are an idiot

        Jeff said:
        January 3, 2013 at 1:05 PM

        Peter you are surrounded by idiots

        Nelson said:
        January 15, 2013 at 9:04 AM

        No Peter is an idiot. In Illinois their is not conceal and carry, so either these guys were criminals (which only an idiot would approach) or cops (which and idiot would kick out). So logic stands that he is an idiot.

      Cyndi in Ohio said:
      January 3, 2013 at 11:20 AM

      peter, you are definitely an idiot, if the customer was concerned that someone was carrying a gun and the manager checked it out, he should have informed the concerned customer that they were police officers, and that should have been the end of it….

      you can't live your life trying to anticipate what a crazy person might do, it's impossible to predict, I would feel very safe in a restaurant eating next to a table of armed police officers, whether they are on duty or not……. and what exactly is "John Wayne syndrome"???? and if there is a nut in a restaurant who is armed and considers an "armed group" reason to open fire, then I definitely want to be dining in a restaurant with the armed off-duty police officers

        Nanci said:
        January 3, 2013 at 12:33 PM

        I agree with you Cindi!

      Joshua said:
      January 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM

      The officers were not in uniform and they were off duty. They should have to obey the same laws that the average person should have to.

        Jay said:
        January 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM

        The problem with that theory is the law isn't the same. As a police officer I can carry in any state (CCW reciprocated state or not), in any court house and with the additional classes I have taken I can even carry on an airplane. If I am in a Denny's or any business for that matter and an incident of felony level occurres, I have a duty to act and be damn sure I will have a firearm on my hip.

        Jeff said:
        January 3, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        These cops aren't being prosecuted for carrying firearms while off duty. They were simply told by a private business that they can't bring their guns in while not on duty. Denny's has every right to tell them that. You say you have a duty to protect them if something happens. This is not true. In this situation you would be OFF. DUTY. The police officers who are ON DUTY are the ones that can bring guns in.

        I know this is where you say "well hurr durrr when a gunman shows up the on duty police won't show up as quickly as I could!". Great. But that's the price we pay as a society for not having armed guards in every single building. It's a price lots of people are willing to pay for some freedom. What don't you gun nuts get about this? We don't want to be surrounded by sociopaths with guns and cops are no exception

        Tim said:
        January 3, 2013 at 1:52 PM

        Jeff, I've got a plane ticket for you to fly to the UK where even the cops aren't armed. Keep in mind that the UK is by all accounts a nanny state. There are cameras on every public street so that the Queen's government can keep you safe. Don't mind your civil liberty for privacy, only government officials are watching you 24×7, they can be trusted because they are with the government. Oh, and by the way, you are at least 3.5 times more likely to be a victim of a violent crime in the UK than you are here in the US. But don't worry, all you have to do is call for "Bobby" to come help, and they will arrive with 10-15 minutes after the criminal beats the crap out of you and steals everything you own. But that's ok, because you weren't armed and able to protect yourself society is "safe".

        Al Brady said:
        January 4, 2013 at 7:29 PM

        Jeff, most police officers are REQUIRED to be armed when away from the home, EVEN OFF DUTY! That's a bit like military, you're on duty 24/7. I know, you're likely shocked to learn something new. I hope you can adjust.

        Thom in GA said:
        January 3, 2013 at 12:53 PM

        I'm an average person and I have a carry and conceal permit. I've had it for 23 years. In the state of GA I can walk into a Dennys with a sidearm in plain view.

        Al Brady said:
        January 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM

        I appreciate you and the state of Georgia. This liberal New York and Left Coast stuff is what's taking our nation down.

        Tired of Morons said:
        January 3, 2013 at 1:01 PM

        Most cops are required to carry when they are off duty because no cop is ever really off duty you dolt.

        Shocking said:
        January 5, 2013 at 12:35 PM

        Tired of morons…….if your going to be rude enough to call people idiots..you may want to spell it right. Idiot!

        Lisa said:
        January 5, 2013 at 10:40 PM

        Seems to be the "idiot" is you. He called him a DOLT not an idiot. Dolt is a word. SMH…

        lesscan said:
        January 3, 2013 at 9:32 PM

        Officers are ALWAYS on duty no matter if they are in uniform or its their day off. Any cop will tell you that they are always a cop no matter what, where or when!

        Bobby said:
        January 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM

        Hey moron, some departments have policy that requires officers to be armed, on duty or not. And on top of that, off duty or not, they have a duty to act if they see a crime in progress, that's why they are "SWORN" law enforcement officers.

      Yo Adrian said:
      January 3, 2013 at 12:08 PM

      Whether you agree with Peter's opinion or not, calling him an idiot is not necessary. Do you guys talk this way to people you meet in person, or does the internet give you some type of authority to respond this way to others' opinions?

        Tired of Morons said:
        January 3, 2013 at 12:59 PM

        OK, we'll call you an idiot for defending him. And yes if your an idiot I'll tell you. In person or not doesn't even effect me.

        bob said:
        January 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM

        whats your addrees plenty here will say it to your face…..IDIOT!

        ccl said:
        January 3, 2013 at 6:54 PM

        i'd call him an idiot to his face as i would you for your stupid reply

      Tired of Morons said:
      January 3, 2013 at 12:56 PM

      Yes Peter by popular consensus, you are an idiot.

      ccl said:
      January 3, 2013 at 6:53 PM

      peter in ohio, your an idiot. that is the stupidest analogy i've ever heard.

      Steve said:
      January 4, 2013 at 8:36 AM

      You are an idiot!! Or maybe you have a mental illness…? Did you know that in the state of Alabama you can carry a pistol in plain site without as much of a permit?? Do you see people in Alabama shooting people for no reason??? People with this mentality is why all of our rights are eventually going to be taken away! WTF!!

        Sandy said:
        January 5, 2013 at 2:26 PM

        NOpe, In AL you still need a permit to carry! I have to buy one every yr so that info is incorrect.

    deerejohn said:
    January 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Now days you can be to sure that they are police. The uniforms (costumes), badges are getting pretty real looking. And hear about so many cops gone bad or were bad in the first place. And with the mass hysteria with these most resent tragic events. Do you blame them.

      Draak said:
      January 3, 2013 at 11:41 AM

      Idiot alert!

        Rick said:
        January 3, 2013 at 9:02 PM

        "You hear about so many "cops" gone bad or were bad in the first place ?" Where do you live, Mexico ?

      Kate said:
      January 4, 2013 at 1:29 AM

      The frauds don't usually run in packs, though.

      Al Brady said:
      January 4, 2013 at 7:49 PM

      Nobody said to go home with him, just appreciate that if he is there you're far less apt to have a problem, unless you are the problem.

    SkylerTKing said:
    January 3, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    First, fire the manager! Then boycott ALL Denny's across the nation for violating the Constitutional rights of every legal United States citizen that can legally carry a gun!!! I'm not talking about Chicago, they're retards, I'm taling about normal people!!!

      fubo said:
      January 4, 2013 at 7:30 PM

      because the countrys elected town idiot is from chicago. go figure. chicago is a shit hole anyway.

      Al Brady said:
      January 4, 2013 at 7:51 PM

      ABSOLUTELY! I appreciate Skyler TKing's clear view on this.

    Jim C. said:
    January 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Denny's are under staffed and the food is at best marginal.Use tpo be "ok" for breakfast but everything else forget about it..

    Jim

    RPee said:
    January 3, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    I say good for Denny's. We have so much government telling us where we citizens can't carry guns it's about time the private sector turned the table. Food still stinks though.

      Tired of Morons said:
      January 3, 2013 at 12:57 PM

      you and Peter need to get together. Your both idiots.

      fubo said:
      January 4, 2013 at 7:32 PM

      your a $#%^n idiot

    GFN said:
    January 3, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    RPee – you are an idiot – they are cops

      RPee said:
      January 3, 2013 at 12:07 PM

      Obviously you missed my point

      GFN's mom said:
      January 3, 2013 at 1:09 PM

      And a lot of cops are criminals. You'd be some kind of idiot to think that a criminal is suddenly a good guy if he puts on a uniform, right?

    dan said:
    January 3, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    any manager with half a brain would welcome police officers, on duty or off. i believe these officers were on duty and just in plain clothes. i can understand a customer's concern on seeing someone with a gun, but the simple explanation of "they are police officers" should be the end of it. this manager should be at the very least, disciplined and required to give a public apology.

    John From Florida said:
    January 3, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Peter from Ohio: Do everyone a favor and do NOT get your CCW license and do NOT carry a gun. If you think it is OK to draw down and challenge people for no reason other than the fact that they are carrying firearms, you are truly a dangerous person. Many people carry firearms. Cops, bodyguards, armed couriers, and citizens with CCW licenses. You can only act in self-defense against a reasonable threat. A holstered sidearm is NOT a reasonable threat.

    Jonathan said:
    January 3, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    Wow, ok, Hmmm, next Dennies to get robbed, because the robbers know that if they do call the police, they sure won't hurry to the scene to stop em! The manager and the paranoid customer should have felt more safe with the cops there AND their guns! Woulda been alot different if a robbery had gone down while the cops were there!

    Gun nuts for jeezus said:
    January 3, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    If anyone wants to know what's wrong with the American population just look at this comment thread. The worse your ability to type and speak are the more thumbs up you get. Idiots flock together and you my friends are a bunch of morons.

      murica said:
      January 3, 2013 at 2:58 PM

      I was just about to say something along these lines…

      Our problem doesn't lie with gun control, marriage rights, religious freedom or the likes…it lies with people's lack of ability to exercise critical thinking and distorted views of reality.

      Ad hominem, appeal to fear, slippery slopes, political rhetoric and all… We have mobs that cling hold to buzz words, catch phrases, etc. and just scream them at the top of their lungs. Never mind reason, because who needs that crap?

      fubo said:
      January 4, 2013 at 7:33 PM

      is that why your here!!

    AlC said:
    January 3, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Liberals want to boycott Chic fil A, I think it's time for Conservatives to boycott Denny's!

    pie said:
    January 3, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    The manager should have told the complaining diner to go pound sand.

    goose said:
    January 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    who knows maybe they had a drug deal going down and didnt want plainsclothes cops around, some restaraunts do that. always makes u wonder. when looking at that point of view also

    Kat Martin said:
    January 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    Bet the officers will respond a bit slower to Denny's when there is a problem in the future. Good thing there wasn't a problem at the restaurant at the time, the manager and the customer would have been glad there were plain clothes officers on the premises. Officers are supposed to carry their weapons whether on or off duty!

    Quick Draw said:
    January 3, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    I hear there going to change the name from DENNY'S to DUMMY'S.

    Andy said:
    January 3, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    This is actually making me laugh all the above comments. A customer complained that someone had a gun and might not of been comfortable if that customer was with a family.. This is all down to the manager not dealing with it correctly. If the customer was told it was 5 cops do you think the customer would of wanted them to leave?

      Kate said:
      January 4, 2013 at 1:34 AM

      I think the manager was the problem. Cops carry guns, even when off duty they are on duty. It's a 24/7 job like doctor or Marine.

      The customer should have addressed his/her concern, the manager should have asked for proper identification and then told the customer to not worry; they were police officers.

      I am tired of the fear that is being tossed down our throats every day. The media, celebrities, and President of the United States are all working their butts off to make average citizens afraid of something as benign as a holstered gun in the possession of a police officer.

      Stupid is as stupid does, to be sure…

      Someone mentioned "critical thinking"? Well, that is missing a lot in society these days.

        Sandy said:
        January 5, 2013 at 2:38 PM

        Yet the potus also said he wanted his kids protected by armed security yet, because we are not at the same level as he is, he doesn't believe our kids should also be protected at the same level. I'm all for teachers and staff trained and carrying. Teach Responsibility!!!

    Congressional Retard said:
    January 3, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Screw the cops and screw dennys.

      Don Smith said:
      January 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

      I would bet if someone were giving you your just deserts you would love to see a cop coming to rescue your sorry butt. Or would you tell him to go screw himself??? I think not.

    Victor Ree said:
    January 3, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    The robber complained! Ha Ha Ha

    bduce said:
    January 3, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    We never go to Denny's. It seems they hire morons for managers and there are much better restaurants with much better management.

    Michael Whetstone said:
    January 3, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    JUNK, their food isn't any good anyway. That's one of those places you eat at cause your hungry and NOTHING ELSE is open, or your drunk. No one eats there cause the food taste good !!!!

    Mookie said:
    January 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    The person complaining was probably a felon,,,they don't like cops for some unknown reason.

    Vic said:
    January 3, 2013 at 11:01 PM

    A peace officer is on duty even when he is officially off duty. 24/7 365. Denny's as well as all private owned businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone. but, to refuse to serve police officers while their in your establishment is so idiotic! thats FREE SECURITY for customers as well as yourself and employees. PEOPLE NEED TO STOP GETTING THE GOOD GUYS WITH GUNS MIXED UP WITH THE BAD GUYS WITH GUNS!!!!! THERE IS A DIFFERENCE MORONS!!!!

    Frank said:
    January 3, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    A private restaurant should have the right to choose who they serve. Freedoms – you may not always agree on them, but everyone has them.

    fuck police said:
    January 4, 2013 at 5:00 AM

    fuck the police leave your gun in the car!

    Josephine Nardi said:
    January 4, 2013 at 7:18 AM

    Police officers generally have a different demeanor than the ordinary public. The person who reported spotting a gun on one of the officers obviously lives in a utopia where officers do not have to carry weapons. I personally would rather see them carrying the guns than for the guns to be concealed.

    Marc said:
    January 4, 2013 at 7:20 AM

    So, am I to gather that if I carried a firearm in a Denny's not being a law enforcement officer, that I would be immediately shown the door?

    Fran said:
    January 4, 2013 at 8:18 AM

    No one likes a place who does not want protection for their customers, you are never going to live this down, so go on and feed you people against guns, you will see there are not very many, Idiots!!

    Ranger said:
    January 4, 2013 at 9:00 AM

    Everybody needs to get over it. Peter's comment was at best, poorly thought out. Albeit, I disagree with his comment,but I'm not going to stoop to name calling. As far as any officer responding to any call slower or less professionally due to the fact it's at a Denny's, I would hope that isn't the case and request any police officers reading this to disregard those comments because the citizens in that establishment still need you to show up and do your job. Finally, I think the manager should not be fired even though mostly everyone here doesn't like the way things were handled. The manager should be retrained on company policy and whatever else they need to maintain their effectiveness. No public apology should be given. A private apology would work better.

    txrver said:
    January 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    Most police departments require officers to have their weapon on them at all times. Guess Denny's manager thinks he has more authority than the police regulations. Bet their minds would be changed if an incident occurred and the police officers were there to defend them from the bad guys.

    Jack W. said:
    January 4, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    The Manafer made A BIGGGG mistake.The officers don't need Denny's, but Denny's needs trhem..It may take a b it longer for an officer to respond to a problen at Dennys because he know's he's not wanted there

    Carmen said:
    January 5, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    When Denny's call 911 for help I'm sure the responding Police Officers will be taking a very slow ride to help them.

    drood said:
    January 5, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    Ironically, if this place ever gets robbed (and I can assure you it will, sooner or later) the people that want to see this sort of thing carried will be the first to scream "Where were the POLICE when this was going on?"

    drood said:
    January 5, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Re the above suggestions to boycott Denny's…I would but I don't eat at that cesspool anyway.

    Mary said:
    January 5, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    My husband and I eat at our local Denny's every Saturday morning. My husband is a retired police officer having given more than 30 years of service to the citizens of several IL communities. If this is the kind of management style that is acceptable to Denny's, we will no longer be patronizing your restaurants.

    lisa said:
    January 5, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    Cops do carry guns, but Denny's was not in the wrong. Look at what has recently happened & that manager was just following the rules that he was told to so he was not @ fault. If you don't like Denny's than don't go but being careful should not be a crime

      Steph said:
      January 5, 2013 at 11:32 PM

      In the statement above it says Dennys allows officers to dine with their guns..

    Steph said:
    January 5, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    A simple explanation to the family that complained I'm sure would have solved this problem. I think its absolutely incredible how dumb this manager was. I know many places that bring police in and comp their food and give them discounts. Why? So their protected from criminals.. I already disliked Denny's I definitely wont ever be in there now….

    Ariel Winter said:
    January 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    Boo Hoo a restaurant makes there own rules, just because your cops doesnt give you the right to assume that you can do whatever in the hell you want. Good im glad there gone i might be able to enjoy my meal without wanting to throw-up.

    Rattler14 said:
    January 10, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    What is the phone number to this particular Denny's; anyone???

    Rattler14 said:
    January 10, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    The phone number to the Denny's is: (618)277-1360. The manager that did this still works for Denny's; I just called and confirmed it. I spoke to Brian btw; nice guy and a little taken aback. I was polite and not accusing.

    chard said:
    February 24, 2013 at 8:59 AM

    Funny,the robber complained HA HA HA , that was a good one REE.

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